Jim_Laine
Février 24, 2023, 7:31
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Ouais, je suis assez d’accord.
Bah je crois pas, puisqu’il devient le Scientifique Suprême dans Mighty Avengers et se retrouve à la tête de l’école des Vengeurs dans Avengers Academy . Slott l’a laissé en belle condition, c’est Remender et ses successeurs qui ont fait les marioles.
Remender plutôt (d’un certain point de vue comme dirait Obi-Wan), dont la fusion semble avoir déplu aux scénaristes suivants, les poussant à changer cela (Hank serait mort instantanément lors de fusion). Pymtron (le fils qui se fait passer pour le père) serait en quelque sorte plus proche de l’entité Bob quand elle arbore le visage de Dale Cooper hors de la loge (en possédant le corps du doppleganger de Dale).
Ses doutes oui, pour le reste, il prend la tête de l équipe, résout toutes les situations, etc
Sans doute parce que, finalement, Byrne reprend Pym au moment où Englehart l’a reconstruit. Il n’y a en gros plus rien à faire. C’est le scientifique de l’équipe, le Reed Richards local, et au final Byrne l’utilise de cette manière : il est devant les écrans, il explique des trucs sur les pouvoirs de Wanda, tout ça, en utilisant des terminologies complexes. Bref, il n’a plus d’aspérités.
J’ai vraiment l’impression que les gros éditeurs aiment figer les personnages dans certaines formules qui les ont définis à une époque (Tony alcoolique, Matt dépressif…) sans doute afin de « vendre » une formule déclinable dans d’autres supports. Et c’est un raisonnement qui a fait son temps : on voit bien qu’ils sont parvenus à rendre Tony passionnant au cinéma, sans recourir à l’alcool, qui au final reste très secondaire dans les films.
Pareil. Byrne s’intéresse surtout aux couples : donc Wanda et Vision qu’il sépare, Clint et Bobbie qu’il rabibochent… Et surtout, il cherche à casser les jouets qui fonctionnent encore. Et il se barre, fâché, quand ça devient intéressant.
Pour Pym, c’est vraiment rageant car, en effet, bien d’autres personnages ont commis le même péché, mais dans d’autres circonstances ; sans que cela leur soit reproché.
J’avais bien aimé quand Busiek avait établi que sa dépression nerveuse avait pour origines sous-jacentes sa culpabilité et sa honte pour Ultron, dont les schémas cérébraux sont les siens.
C’est d’ailleurs fou que Marvel Comics n’ait jamais voulu / pu / réussi à profiter de l’engouement du public pour Iron Man.
Le souci c’est surtout les suivants qui ne savent pas travailler sur la base de ce qu’ils ont.
Busiek reprend les idées de Stern je pense. En voila un qui arrive justement à prendre l’événement à bras le corps, à confronter, à affronter puis à changer
Jason Shayer (Back Issue #56 ) : « As the new regular writer, Stern didn’t waste time getting settled in. He took on the Henry « Hank » Pym subplot, which had been dangling since Jim Shooter’s tenure as writer, and had him face the public charges of kidnapping, theft of government property, and treason. Stern cleverly used a psychiatrist, trying to determine Pym’s mental fitness to stand trial, to flashback through Hank’s past. Pym recounted his early history as a scientist, his relationship with the Wasp, his career as an Avenger, and his fall from grace. His narrative was compelling and moving and wove together 20 years of convoluted history written by several writers, each with their own take on the character. »
"Avengers #230 (april. 1983) wrapped up the Hank Pym storyline and delivered an emotionally satisfying finale to his trial. Pym not only triumphed over the Masters of Evil singlehandedly, defeated his old nemesis Egghead (the first villain he faced back in Tales to Astonish #38 , Dec. 1962), but also restored his faith in himself and the faith of his former teammates in him.
Stern could have neatly tied a bow around his story and had Pym rejoin the Avengers, but he didn’t. Instead, Pym took responsibility for his actions, which included undergoing a mento-scan to confirm there was no outside influence affecting him, after which Pym admitted : « It would have changed a lot of things if there had been, wouldn’t it ? But no, I made my own mistakes… and I have to live with them. »
Pym bid farewell to the Avengers and to his life as a superhero. It was an emotional departure for both Pym and the Wasp. the Wasp was strong and confident as the Avengers chairwoman through the prcoceedings, but watching Pym leave broke her heart and she finally gave in to an overwhelming flood of emotions. Bu that emotional ordeal was the catharsis that she needed to move toward standing on her own."
« A few years later, Pym would rejoin the Avengers, but this time as a member of the West Coast Avengers. Writer Steve Englehart embraced the story foundation put down by Stern and made Pym one of the more interesting members of that team. »
Ca se poursuit sous Bob Harras, qui décide que Kang (Immortus, selon le retcon de Busiek dans Avengers Forever) est responsable de sa dépression nerveuse en ayant tenté de le corrompre, jadis.
Ian Millsted (back Issue #76 ) : « When I got West Coast Avengers, I didn’t have any burning desire to use him (Pym) », says Englehart. But Mark Gruenwald, the editor, decide after a while that he wanted him in the book, and Mark had an idea of what to change him into this time : (Marvel’s answer to) Dr. Who."
« He described a dr. Pym who would not be a costumed hero bout would be a distinctively dressed scientist. This did not thrill me, but I had to do it–so I sat down and took a long look at him, and came to the conclusion he was a loser, so. maybe the storyline that could make him finally work requiert facing that problem head-on, rather than trying to ignore it. thus, I brought him in as the character Mark wanted, but had a clear plan about running the character toward suicide. Obviously, he would not ultimately commit suicide, though I didn’t have the exact reason for that when I started along that road ; that’s how I work, knowing that when it was time to solve that problem I would, and I’d have all the character development to that point in hand, which is the part that mostly interested me. »
Jim
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