KILLING JOKE (Alan Moore / Brian Bolland)

Vous ne l’ignorez pas, l’abondante commercialisation de Killing Joke a commencé dans la revue USA Magazine.
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Avec un détour, ai-je appris, par le format poche que J’ai Lu™ avait tenté de populariser à une époque.

Bref, dans ce trente-sixième numéro en question, en plus de l’épisode mensuel de la pré-publication de Souriez, titre alors privilégié de la BD de Bolland & Moore pour le marché hexagonal, Jean-Paul Jennequin y avait glissé un article, dont il avait le secret.

Pour les amateurs d’antiquité donc (non je ne parle par de J-P Jennequin), cet article est disponible sur mon blog [Pour en savoir +].

Bonne lecture !

J’en profite pour te remercier pour tous ces articles : ton blog est une vraie caverne aux trésors (oui, je mets volontairement au pluriel).

Tori.

Ah oui, tiens, je me rappelle l’avoir vue tout gamin, cette version (dans le rayon librairie d’une grande surface, si je ne m’abuse).

Merci.

Je me souviens en avoir eu un ou deux de ce format poche (dont un Corto je crois), mais je ne me souviens plus si les planches étaient remontées.
Mais je ne cois pas, si ?

Sur tous ceux que j’ai eus, elles l’étaient, malheureusement (et mal remontées, qui plus est).

Je me souviens de leur slogan « Y’a des bulles dans J’ai Lu ».

Tori.

De mémoire, je crois aussi, sur ce « Killing Joke »…

D’ailleurs, j’y pense, de mon côté j’étais persuadé que la première publication (digne de ce nom dirons-nous, du coup) en VF, c’était là :

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D’accord, merci.

Alors je n’avais plus tout ça en tête non plus. Et en recherchant, celui que tu présentes, Les Chroniques de Batman a été commercialisé après l’album Comics USA (ceux avec la couverture qui « gondole »). Mais en premier il y eu la pré-publication dont je parle.

Oui, tout ce que j’ai eu entre les mains de cette collection était assez catastrophique.

Non, c’est une réédition de l’album, qui est sorti avant.

J’en parle ici :

Je n’ai pris que le quatrième numéro, qui est aussi une réédition, mais je n’avais pas pris l’album (trop cher). Les trois autres, j’avais déjà.

Jim

je note !

Décidément, il y a toujours beaucoup de rancoeur dans l’air quand on évoque les travaux d’Alan Moore chez DC Comics, et notamment le plus mal-aimé d’entre eux par son scénariste lui-même, à savoir « The Killing Joke ». Moore n’ayant pas la langue dans sa poche concernant ses collègues toujours dans l’industrie qu’il a fuie quant à lui, il n’est pas illogique que ce franc-parler « se retourne contre lui » à l’occasion. Revenant avec amertume sur « The Killing Joke », Brian Bolland n’épargne pas le mage de Northampton :

"Killing Joke. My final word (for now).

Much has been said about the Killing Joke, Alan Moore, Brian Bolland and John Higgins’ slim graphic novel about Batman and the Joker. It’s an item of great significance to me for a number of positive and negative reasons. I want to make this my definitive and comprehensive take on the Killing Joke. Much of this you may already have read and I apologise for repeating myself. Revelations about my personal pride in the work and the personal wounds it has inflicted in me may be something new to you.

In about 1985 I’d returned from a lengthy trip abroad and I rang up Dick Giordano to ask him what I could do next for DC Comics. The trip abroad had been paid for, in part, by a bonus from DC of $10,000 thanks to the success of Camelot 3000. In answer to my question Dick said “You can do anything you want, Brian”.

Skipping back a few years to 1977 - Dave Gibbons, Mick McMahon, Kevin O’Neil and I and a number of other artists had been in at the beginning of the UK’s newly launched 2000AD. We were a closely knit bunch of young artists. We met annually at the recently established Forbidden Planet shop in London to sign for 2000AD fans and monthly in local pubs for drinks and pizzas. We were mainly artists but soon joining that group was hairy Midlander (you could tell from his accent) Alan Moore. Pat Mills and John Wagner’s stories for Judge Dredd were outstanding and made that character rightly popular. Alan Moore’s writing, however, was in a league of its own. Literate, ingenious, irreverent, moving and funny. His “Time Twisters” with Dave Gibbons. “DR & Quinch” with Alan Davis. “The Bojeffries Saga” with Steve Parkhouse. His darker political magnum opus “V For Vendetta” with David Lloyd. All signals that here was a writer of some standing. The guys at Forbidden Planet had formed a publishing group called Titan Books. There were plans afoot to team up Alan and me to draw an alternative take on the American Superhero trope called “Rocket Redglare”. There were even discussions between IPC, publishers of 2000AD, and DC Comics about a “Batman vs Judge Dredd” one-off. I’d already started drawing a few things for DC at the time so contact had been made with the other side of the Pond. Neither projects came to anything. It’s understood that IPC, who published 2000AD weekly, were unimpressed by the poor sales of DC’s Batman at the time.

Dave Gibbons had been a close friend and mentor to me since I started in 1975 on Powerman. Alan became my friend a few years later as a result of the various events and conventions we jointly attended. At a con in the French alpine town of Grenoble (I have an amusing story to tell of that day which I’ll save for another time), also attended by Sergio Aragones, David Mazucchelli and Will Eisner, I sat for a long long time with Alan as he told me the plot of a story he was writing about Jack the Ripper. In London we chortled with delight as he played us his 45rpm record “the Sinister Ducks”. I remember him saying to me “You can’t have too many friends, Brian.”

In the mid 80s, during various pub get-togethers, Dave Gibbons revealed pages and plot points that he and Alan were working on for a new maxi-series for DC called Watchmen. Dave’s enthusiasm was infectious. We could tell it was going to be brilliant.

Back to 1985. Dick Giordano said to me “you can do anything you want to, Brian”. Frank Miller had recently redefined the look and format of a comic with his “Ronin” and redefined Batman with “Dark Knight”. Alan had finished writing Watchmen. I said to Dick “I’d like to do a Batman graphic novel and I’d like Alan Moore to write it”. Dick said “Okay”. Alan was asked and seemed happy to come onboard. He rang me and asked me what I had in mind. I said I’d like it to be primarily about the Joker with Batman as more of a background character. Len Wein would be the editor and we were all set to go.

During that period, my wife Rachel and I, were in New York and we met Frank Miller and Lynn Varley for a Japanese meal. I’d known Frank since my earliest visits to DC in 1979. When he visited me in London I took him on nocturnal walks around the bowels of East London, Ripper territory. Now - in New York he suggested a new Batman book from me might not be a good idea because, thanks to his Dark Knight, the character was a bit over-saturated. But, too late. It was already in production.

In London Alan rang me and said he’d reached a dark patch in the writing of Killing Joke. He thought he had to have the Joker do something REALLY bad to take him beyond his clownish comedic persona. He wanted to seriously injure Barbara Gordon, Batgirl. He’d asked Len Wein. It’s in print somewhere so I can repeat here what were Len’s words as repeated to me by Alan. “Cripple the bitch!”

Finally in London the finished script arrived. I was somewhat disappointed. As an artist you want to draw iconic moments. Pay homage in some way to the character of old. Where was Dick Sprang’s giant typewriter? I was worried by the three bug-eyed dwarves. I thought It perhaps offensive to persons of limited height. I thought setting part of the story in a funfair was a bit obvious. And - I was upset by the harm that came to Barbara and concerned by the implied nudity. As the artist I’ve never considered it my place to tell a writer what to write, especially a writer (and friend) who I admired as much as Alan. As an artist, if a scene has to be violent, I will make it so. Also I would never have chosen to suggest an origin story of the Joker. There were moments in the story, though, that I thought might be iconic and sections that were well up to Alan’s best.

Len Wein was no longer the editor of Killing Joke. That role was passed on to Denny O’Neil who, I believe, was the head Batman editor. I didn’t know Denny and I only recall one brief phone call with him. As far as I knew DC had forgotten about the Killing Joke. I worked away at it between 1986-88 along with covers for Titan’s Dredd reprints and other things. During that time I was hearing rumours that all was not well between Alan Moore and DC. Something to do with their agreement over Watchmen. I’m sketchy on the details and it’s best to investigate the matter elsewhere. I thought it possible that matters came to a head while Alan was writing Killing Joke - specifically round about the time he was harming Barbara Gordon. Maybe that was the reason for his phone call. Maybe he was on the verge of ditching Killing Joke and DC at that point. But that’s just speculation.

By 1988 My artwork was nearing completion and suddenly the book was scheduled. Back then colour was applied using the “blue line” process. I was too slow at that so John Higgins was asked to provide the colour. (There are more stories here which I’ll leave for another occasion. Including, in a book whose page composition consisted only of horizontals and verticals, Richard Brunning’s decision to tilt the logo diagonally).

For me the Killing Joke represented the perfect alignment of the planets. I had the opportunity to bring together characters, that I grew up with, that I loved, that were high profile and possibly the best and hottest writer of the moment. I knew this would be a career peak for me. Fortunately Killing Joke proved popular and has remained in print since its first appearance. Alan’s work has been celebrated in literary circles. Watchmen, I believe, is studied in schools. Alan’s rift with DC has widened into a rift with the whole superhero genre and comics as a whole - and, as far as I can tell with anyone he previously knew in that field. I rang him years ago, before I knew of the rift, and said I’d like to do something new with him, something good “…that would make a lot of money!” (I do this for a living after all.) since then I’ve had no contact with my old friend. Occasionally I see him on TV or hear him on the radio.

Killing Joke was meant to be the high watermark of my career. I knew I wasn’t capable of doing anything better. I was recently reading an article in the Guardian newspaper entitled “The Killing Joke at 30. What is the legacy of Alan Moore’s shocking Batman story?” (Not a recent article then?). “A 46 page psychological slug-fest.” It goes on to say “As Moore doesn’t speak about The Killing Joke (or any of his DC work) any more, and Wein died last year, it’s perhaps a piece of comics apocrypha we can analyse however we want”. It, however, quotes Alan thus: “I thought it was far too violent and sexualised a treatment for a simplistic comic book character like Batman and a regrettable misstep on my part”. KJ is sited by other sources as a high profile example of the routine ill-treatment of women in comics for entertainment and its a good thing if that can be rectified in the future.

At no point in the Guardian article is the name of the artist mentioned. People who use the medium of the written word to express themselves have no ability or interest in talking about line-thickness, negative space, light and shade or the influence of artists of the past. It’s “Alan Moore’s shocking Batman book”. A low point in his career. Not a particularly good story. A miss-step for him. A thing he’d prefer not to talk about. If an artist has done his job properly he or she will have conveyed the story well enough that he or she will not even be noticed. In that I have to feel some satisfaction.

Apart from my various pleasures and pride and my disappointments and regrets in The Killing Joke I regret the loss of a friend - and an extremely entertaining and talented one."

Ah mince… Je n’ai pas trop compris l’histoire… J’adore cette BD ! J’en avais lu pas mal sur Batman, mais quand je suis tombé sur cette œuvre… J’ai reçu une bonne claque ! Et depuis il m’arrive de le relire et encore et encore… Un chef d’œuvre !

Édit : je précise l’histoire en anglais que nous a partagé Photonik

J’ai essayé de mettre une « google trad » mais c’était tellement lamentable que j’ai laissé tomber… :sweat_smile:
En gros, Bolland déplore un peu que Moore ne se soit pas trop foulé sur ce projet qui lui tenait particulièrement à coeur à lui, et que les aspects sur lesquels Moore est le plus « saignant » soient des points sur lesquels le barbu a voulu lui-même aller… Bolland n’aurait pas craché sur une approche moins caricaturalement sombre.
En outre, Bolland déplore que nul ne relève, que ce soit Moore ou les médias, que « The Killing Joke » c’est aussi (et surtout, on a presqu’envie de dire) pratiquement deux ans de travail pour le dessinateur ; lui qui se juge si lent (et qui s’est tourné vers le « cover-art » majoritairement pour ça) avait tout donné sur ce travail…

Je précise que comme toi, je reste perso très fan de « The Killing Joke », depuis pas loin de trente piges maintenant. Avec « Batman : Year One » et « Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow », c’est un des travaux qui m’a fait prendre conscience de la mutation des comics à l’oeuvre dans la deuxième moitié des années 80…

C’est d’ailleurs assez « anglais », comme propos : Bolland dit qu’effectivement, le dessinateur est un peu oublié, mais que s’il a bien fait son boulot, il passera inaperçu, ce dont il doit tirer quelque satisfaction. C’est doux-amer, et très subtil.
Il explique en gros qu’il aurait imaginé un Joker sans doute plus proche de ce qu’il avait connu enfant, avec des gadgets, des décors, une machine à écrire géante, et que, spontanément, il n’aurait pas songé à dévoiler une quelconque origine au personnage. De même, il suppose que la violence du récit, et notamment ce qui arrivera à Barbara Gordon, est peut-être lié aux tensions entre DC et Moore et à la volonté de celui-ci de « durcir le discours ».
Et il finit sur l’idée que si des regrets sont associés au récit, le plus grand, c’est d’avoir perdu un ami.

Un témoignage aussi riche et dense (ah, le petit tacle à Richard Bruning) que fin et subtil.

Moi, comme Photonik, je suis assez fan de Killing Joke. Moore dit souvent que le récit ne parle pas assez d’humanité, de condition humaine, mais je trouve que cette vaste entreprise de parallèle entre le méchant et le gentil est un formidable portrait en creux des hommes. De plus, j’aime beaucoup les couleurs de John Higgins. J’ai l’édition VO qui assemble les deux versions, et franchement, je préfère la version d’origine : la palette étrange de Higgins ajoute à la dimension de folie et de psychose du récit. La très douloureuse scène où Gordon est confronté aux photos, elle est à la fois plus intense et plus supportable avec ces couleurs criardes qu’avec la palette plus réaliste dans la recolorisation de Bolland.

Jim

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Oh oui la folie, c’est ce qui ressort le plus dans cette BD, et le Joker est excellent dans son discours. Et la fin. Immense. Beaucoup n’ont pas compris… Batman, en général, il ne tue pas. Mais là, avant l’arrivée de la police. La folie de Batman. J’adore.

Oui les BD de Miller, aussi, sont excellents.

Mais je ne connais pas

Va falloir que je me le procure ! Merci ! Ce sont/c’est qui l’/les auteur(s).

Suis en 4G et ça rame un peu pour surfer sur Google…

Alan Moore !! Associé pour l’occasion à Curt Swan et George Perez…
Le Superman « classique » (celui du Silver Age en fait) étant censé disparaître à l’occasion de « Crisis On Infinite Earths », DC propose à Moore d’écrire la dernière histoire de ce Superman. Et Moore de rendre hommage au Silver Age de façon aussi touchante que brillante, dans une histoire qui demeure dans le haut du panier (perso, avec « All-Star Superman », ma préférée) de celles consacrées au kryptonien.

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J’en causais ici :

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C’est une lecture.
Moi, j’en fais une autre : Batman est confronté au silence parce qu’il prend conscience que le Joker a gagné (c’est la blague qui tue, celle qui fait mal).

Jim

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C’est clairement la BD qui m’a remis sur Batman (que je n’avais pas lu depuis des années, et avec lequel, grosso modo, mon dernier contact avait été un épisode de la série Adam West vers 83 en Angleterre, qui m’avait bien mis en froid avec et Batman, et le Joker). J’y étais allé suite à Watchmen, en me disant « oh, Moore sur Batman, ce sera intéressant, et Bolland aussi » (j’avais lu Dredd contre Crève peu avant).
Grosse baffe graphique et scénaristique, la construction en parallèle m’avait totalement bluffé